Upcoming Battleground Changes in 3.3.3

So, yes, I’m still on vacation, but this is some pretty exciting stuff. Wowhead has an article on upcoming changes to the battleground system in an upcoming minor release, most likely 3.3.3. Go visit that link for the full blue post first, then back here for a few comments.


Everything I just wrote about Marks of Honor? Valid only through the rest of this minor patch. After that, all marks are going away and items that require them will be replaced with honor points.

I like this change. Marks are confusing and the conversion mechanism is clumsy. While I’d like to see how this is implemented (will you need certain reputation levels to buy WSG/AB/AV items? How will turnins for leftover marks be handled once they are no longer awarded – will you still have to match all six, or can they be turned in individually?) I agree with the developers that the Marks system has outlived its usefulness.

One big, glaring question: will Wintergrasp marks also go away?


Oh my yes. I’ve written about this before, so I’ll just say: thank you, Blizzard. The DF has been a huge success. I hope the BGF will be too.


There are several interesting changes in the notes about the rewards for Holiday Weekends and Random Battlegrounds. The rewards are equal, so that doing randoms offers no better or worse benefits than fighting the holiday weekend battleground, now confusingly called the Call To Arms battleground. (Confusing, because that’s the name of the daily BG quest).

On the one hand, this is good because it makes for a clear set of bonus rewards. Your choices are simpler when grinding honor: random or CtA.

On the other hand, this doesn’t change the inherent discrepancies between non-holiday/CtA/random battlegrounds. Not so much a new flaw, but WSG will still suck for grinding honor. It does add an interesting wrinkle, though: now you need to know when you should chain run randoms and when you should chain run CtAs.

(Hint: when WSG is the CtA battleground, run randoms. When AV is CtA, run AV.)

The biggest question I have here is about the daily Call To Arms quest that is in the game. I speculated that this would go away with a random BG finder, much like the daily heroic quest did. And having holiday weekends renamed to Call to Arms implies that it’s gone. But what about the Arena points we were getting from that quest? Are they going away too? If so, how will that effect gearing?

My suspicion is that they are, along with the quest, but I’m honestly just guessing at this point.


Having recently dived into the bonus honor systems for Alterac Valley and Arathi Basin myself, the changes they’re making to the HK/Honor ratio and quest/bonus rewards don’t seem that scary. Quest rewards should remain net neutral, while overall honor gains from fighting will go up. There are interesing implications from this change, but nothing to panic over.

Currently, an honorable kill grants 20.9 honor points. The new system should double that to 41.8 points, which is nice. This raises the value of engaging the enemy in combat and has huge implications for many battlegrounds: the Alterac Blitz, midfield fighting in Warsong Gulch, even opening a debate about bringing down the towers in Wintergrasp. Sustained fighting might become more optimal than quick wins… but if everyone is getting 625 honor for a quick win from the CtA/RBGF bonuses, they may not care.

Another effect we’ll see is that the relative impact of completing the weekly quests in WG lessen, so that subsequent battles aren’t so… lackluster in their rewards. This should encourage players to keep up with WG after Tuesday/Wednesday.


Losing the random/CtA battleground will award 5 kills, or 209 honor points.

Considering when you’re getting completely owned in a fight you might walk away with less than 50 honor, this isn’t bad. It’s a slight downgrade from the value of a Mark of Honor (248 honor), but the hassle is less, too.

The tradeoff is really in the immediate utility of honor points versus the delayed value of a Mark; you can keep going in a high-value battlegrounds without having to stop and switch to 5 other venues to get that honor.


Math. We’re going to need lots of math for this next patch.



Update 2/19: More news from the blues, this time about Wintergrasp.  These changes don’t appear to be anything radical, to be honest, just some tweaking of the existing internal balance we’d all suspected had been there all along.  It’s nice to have confirmation that the siege zergs are not an exploit, though.



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16 responses to “Upcoming Battleground Changes in 3.3.3

  1. 1. The new queueing system will give Blizz the ability to require a certain number of healers per BG if they want. I’m just not sure whether that would be good or bad yet.
    2. They might also be putting the Ruby Sanctum raid into the patch.

    • It’s an interesting concept, but I’m not sure if requiring healers is a good or bad idea, either. Lots of questions about how many you really need vs. want to have, how the different types have different impacts in bgs, and hybrids who can heal but are in DPS spec in queue… could be very messy.

      I have been out of the loop – was the Ruby Sanctum expected? I thought they were giving us the traditional troll instance or something?

      • They never said anything about giving us any troll instances, it was just what everyone was expecting and hoping for. They said previously that there are other sanctums underneath wyrmrest before and RS (the ruby sanctum) was just announced as a possible raid released before Cataclysm in an interview with Tom Chilton.

      • Ah, cool, thanks. I missed that bit. I’m glad it’s not more Trolls – that one’s been done before.

      • I love troll instances. They’re so much different than most raids and have a lot of cool animal bosses and mechanics. Plus, I want an Drakkari War Rhino mount! (they don’t exist if you were wondering)

  2. You beat me to the post by a few hours but yes, basically I agree with you : Math, and lots of it. Also, as per Blizzard-usual, all of my previous data is COMPLETELY WORTHLESS now…time to start a new spreadsheet and move the old one to the unused folders in my desktop. Sigh.

    • I know the feeling, though on a far smaller scale. The only consolation I can offer is that you’re in a unique position to evaluate the changes; will AV continue to be the honor king? Will WSG continue to suck? Data will tell.

      Would you consider having others help collect data for you? While it wouldn’t be all the same battlegroup, it might speed up your analysis.

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  4. Excited for the effects this will have on gearing up alts for pvp as they get closer to 80. Farming Wintegrasp Commendations will be a lot more valuable now!

  5. skinnemuva

    This is a great change. I wonder if they are going to make it possible to turn in extras of any marks you have left over for honor. Let’s say I have a level 70 that has 100 WSG marks and 100 AB marks, but no other marks. All the stuff you can buy for marks for those two is useless to a 70 (except the tabard), and it would be nice to trade them in for one mark worth of honor each.

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  7. These changes could be fantastic, it’s going to confuse the heck out of many people particularly old school players not having run BG’s in some time, but this should be very nice indeed!

    I’m reminded immediately of the “welfare epics” from Season 2 back in TBC and having to grind certain marks for certain weapons.

    Nicely written!

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