On Being Good Enough to Get Away With Being a Jerk


I was in an Arathi Basin tonight on my level 68 Warrior when this mage started chewing people out for not calling incomings. Really nasty stuff, actually, and when I say that you have to remember how much /bg chat I see.

Yet, every single criticism was correct. People weren’t calling out incs. He didn’t need to be insulting about it, but they weren’t doing it. I think I was still fighting at BS when an inc finally came out from LM. The Mage was all THAT’S WHAT I’M TALKING ABOUT and the battle really got underway.

I fought with this guy at a few nodes. He was all over the place, running laps between LM-BS (slowfall) to FM and back to LM. He had great control and burst. He didn’t die until nearly the end of the BG, and had a 41 KB / 0 Deaths record at one point.

But he never stopped yelling at people, calling then names, really digging at them. I reported him after about 5 minutes of this, but I could see he was still talking by the responses in /bg.

I checked out his armory after the match, and was a little surprised by what I saw. This is a PvP achievement toon, working very seriously towards Battlemaster. He’s got Spell Penetration (which makes me weep for joy when I see it in the lower brackets), the right amount of hit, good gear choices, and no XP-boosting heirlooms. He’s there to spend as much time as possible in the leveling BGs, and it shows. 30k HKs by level 69? Huh.

On the one hand, I have to say that this guy was good at Warcraft. Great at Mage PvP, even.

But on the other hand, no matter how right he was, that never excuses being a jerk to your fellow players.

I hope he comes to realize this someday.

(For the record, the only thing he said to me, or about me, was to compliment my inc calls, and then berate other people for not doing it too. *sigh*.)



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9 responses to “On Being Good Enough to Get Away With Being a Jerk

  1. Lara

    While I completely understand the frustration that leads to his complaints, I don’t have much sympathy for people who are nasty in /bg chat, even if they’re excellent players otherwise.Yes, I think we can all agree it sucks when people are fighting in the roads, letting themselves get lured away from flags, not calling out enemy sightings. It’s painful, because even a small improvement on each of those issues can make the difference between a fun victory and a humiliating defeat.Still, I agree with you 100%, that it’s no justification for trash talk from your own team. I’ve been amazed by how much positive effect even just a little support and encouragement can have on the mood of the game in progress.

  2. Cynwise of Stormwind

    I know. It was a close match for the first 900 points, then we blew it wide open, too. Folks did play smart because other people made positive contributions, played smart, put pressure on the right nodes, stuck together.It was a good win, tactically. But this guy really soured it.You don’t go on for 2 minutes about how someone is mentally deficient just because they didn’t call out an inc.

  3. EnvoyOfTheEnd

    Trash talk it is not always.I have tried myself being positive, pointing out what should be the basics but it goes ignored because unrated battlegrounds are attracting people who simply do not give a damn about the end result.Be it the conquest capped from arena, levellers, or just casual pvp’ers there is too little desire to win unrated battlegrounds anymore because of a reward whatever the result, and whatever the cause of that result.There is no excuse of lack of knowledge by that level, especially something as simple as calling an incoming which is core to any pvp.Though I do believe it to be more unwillingness than lack of knowledge.I have tried being positive, making suggestions in many cases stating the obvious.It however does not work and goes ignored.Being a jerk is the only way to get what you say noticed nowadays, and I am more guilty of that than most.But it suits me just fine.The reward system may be at fault, but people forget its a game.A game intended to be played, and those not participating are not playing and therefore wasting my time.

  4. Psynister

    @Envoy I wouldn’t say that there’s no excuse for lack of knowledge at any level. We have people in our guild who’ve played for years and are solid raiders who had never (or so rarely it might as well have been never) stepped foot in a BG until just recently to have a peak at RBG’s. Is that common? Maybe and maybe not, but you shouldn’t simply discard the possibility from the start. I find that any time there’s people being jerks in BG’s, I see maybe a 1 in 5 chance that people will listen to them and do what they say. What I find working for closer to 30-40% success is calling out incs and giving tactical information for the area that I’m at so that people around me can see that I’m not just a moron shouting orders, and then giving positive feedback on all of the performance I see. Whether it’s “great job at BS, guys!” or “nice try at BET, that warrior was a freaking beast”. People tend to pick up on that after a few minutes and start working together. I don’t often find people joining me in the positive feedback, but I do usually see a lot more people calling out incs in particular. The two BG’s I almost never see people making calls are in IoC and SotA. I see a lot of offensive calls for SotA that people seem more likely to listen to, but defense it’s usually chickens sans heads. There’s not really any words to describe how much I hate communication in IoC. If ever there were an exercise in futility, IoC is the place to be.

  5. Ttrinity

    I am a BG fan and appreciator of those who run them more regularly than I do. I am not ‘leet’ heals there, But when in BGs, I have little tolerance for those who type out insult after insult in chat. My thought is that if you are chatting and typing…you are not actually DOING something in BG but shooting off at the mouth… or perhaps it is that you are DEAD again for being a jerk that healers heal last or just not as good as who you went against. No matter. In my eyes, you are not fighting, for whatever reason. I have a macro button that quickly says ‘nerd raging is not sexy. quit typing and fight’. surprisingly, sometimes it shuts them up.

  6. EnvoyOfTheEnd

    As long as I see losses, and my effort ruined by people who join simply to screw around, gank or anything else other than actually try to contribute then I shall continue.They consider it their right to jeopordise the effort of myself or others simply because they can, so I have equal right to call them an idiot.I have spent many times trying to explain tactics or making suggestions to have as little as 1 person who does not give a damn throw away what could have been a win.When you see wins thrown away repeatedly because of an unwillingness to cooperate then you lose your willingness to be patient or understanding towards those who are not.So it is not right to call someone out for ruining my effort or wasting my time simply because they can, but they can do whatever they can to ruing the effort of numerous other players without consequences or criticism ?I shall have to remain in disagreement.

  7. Cynwise of Stormwind

    @envoy: I don’t know how you treat other people in BGs. So it’s dangerous for either of us to draw parallels between this example and your own behavior.My main point (and remember these are unedited posts) is that being good at your job, or being right about something, is unrelated to how you treat other people.Fotmrerolled was an excellent PvPer who was right in the advice he gave. He was also mean and abusive. He was vicious and nasty. I’ve had managers who were abusive. It doesn’t matter if they’re right, or effective in the short term – fear will make people work, after all – but they always fail in the long term. They don’t motivate people to become better, instead they motivate people to go do other things.People have the right to act like dicks. Within bounds, no one disputes that. But, no matter the provocation, remember that if someone is acting like a dick, they’re choosing to act like a dick. And other people have a right to call them on that, too.

  8. Cynwise of Stormwind

    @ttrinity: This example was an interesting counterexample to the normal “shut up and play” problem. This guy *was* dominating the BG and still finding time to spew invectives across /bg. I assumed he wasn’t contributing until I saw him all over the place.It was the strangest thing.

  9. Lara

    @Envoy Constructive criticism is worthwhile, but I don’t think trash talk helps anything. It takes less time and accomplishes more to say “please call incoming” than it does to berate people for being morons over and over.There’s a story I like from Chuck Fager’s book, “Quakers are Funny”, that applies here:One World War II Quaker conscientious objector had been a professional wrestler. When he and some other inmates of the Coshocton CPS camp in Ohio made a trip into town, they were hassled about their pacifism by some local youths, who insisted that only force could change the Germans’ views.In response, the ex-wrestler took off his coat, challenged one of the local boys to a match, and promptly threw the townie across the room. He then asked the youth, “Now do you believe that force won’t change people’s views?”“Heck, no!” the local boy hollered back. “That’s exactly my point,” said the Quaker, who put on his coat and left.