Level 60 PvP Gear Not Available for Transmogging

I, for one, was really hoping that scenes like the above picture would have become more commonplace: the bright and dramatic designs of the level 60 PvP gear filling the streets of Azeroth’s cities, allowing players to choose some dramatically great looks at a relative pittance.

However, it is not to be.

Quoth Bashiok, who is just the messenger:

The items out in the world (Marshals, Grand Marshal’s, High Warlord, etc) that use the level 60 PvP art are un-transmogrifiable (including the item level 115 stuff that shares the name from Burning Crusade).

In Area 52 a set of vendors has replaced the PvP Vendors who used to live there. Grex Brainboiler, Krixel Pinchwhistle, Tini Smalls, Kezzik the Striker, Big Zokk Torquewrench, and Leeni “Smiley” Smalls. These vendors sell new, transmogrifiable versions of the classic armor to players who have the Feat of Strength for Legionnaire/Knight-Captain or higher under the old PvP system.

There was a bug with the Feat of Strength granting access to these items, but was hotfixed within the last couple of minutes. If you meet the criteria log out and back in and you should be able to access the vendor.

The design intent with the Feat of Strength achievement requirement was specifically to limit these particular art styles to players who earned them through the OG (and relentlessly difficult) PvP honor system, while keeping the door open to reward them to more people in the future.

In a future patch the items sold by the Area 52 vendors will also be renamed ‘Replica of’ to be more consistent with the items sold by the Darkmoon Faire – they’re currently exact duplicates of the original items that allow transmogrification, which is obviously a bit confusing.

Potentially related, since he’s in the same area, Kezzik the Striker sells inaccessible Season 1 Gladiator’s, Season 2 Merciless Gladiator’s, and Season 3 Vengeful Gladiator’s gear to all players, as the majority of that gear didn’t have restrictions.

This is somewhat confusing if you’re not up on PvP gear sets, so let me summarize:

  • Level 60 PvP gear, of all ranks, is not available for transmogrification. This includes any armor you may have had purchased previously from the Legacy Honor Vendors.
  • If you had the right to wear this armor back in Vanilla, you have the ability to wear this armor as a mog set. However, you can’t use your old set – you have to go to Area 52 and purchase a lookalike set. You have to have the Feat of Strength to be eligible.
  • Arena sets which had been removed from the game (S1, S2, S3) are now available for purchase again in Area 52.  This gear should have no restrictions.
  • All other PvP gear looks to be eligible for mogging. Brutal and Wrathful gear both appear to have no issues. All the level 85 gear I checked seemed fine, too.

This issue with the level 60 PvP gear has led to some confusion about what does and doesn’t work with transmogrifying PvP gear. It’s a pretty simple rule – everything but the  distinctive level 60 gear should work.

To be frank, that kinda sucks.


I confess, I was really disappointed by this exclusion. I was really looking forward to trotting out the Knight-Lieutenant’s gear I’d ground Marks for back in Wrath and rocking the old-school Vanilla Warcraft look. I knew that there were some things that I wanted to try mogging that probably wouldn’t work – Direbrew’s Bloodied Shanker for one, Dark Herring for another – but that’s because they fell outside the mogging rules as explained by Blizzard.

Having the level 60 gear be excluded really made me go … wait, what? I see a lot of the gear while leveling through the 60-70 bracket, the shields are some of the best looking in the game, and it’s a really distinctive, Warcrafty style. It’s a great look, and I wanted it.

But there’s another side to this, too.

There’s the side of the Warlords and Marshals and all the players who ground out the truly hellacious PvP grind back in Vanilla. For a long time, they had their titles, and they wore them as badges of pride. Once removed from the game, those titles were impressive and had an aura of Old Skool about them, something that later PvPers couldn’t touch. Anyone could get their gear, but no one could get those titles.

Cataclysm took those titles away from these players. Oh, they still had the titles – but Rated Battlegrounds allowed anyone to get them. They were no longer unique signifiers. The vestiges of the old grind were washed away.

So here’s something for those players who did that grind – they’re the only ones who will get to wear the really great PvP fashions as their daily wear. They’ve gotten something special back, something unique, something Old Skool.

I think, had this just been communicated in advance, I wouldn’t be sitting here going, man, this sucks. I’d have gotten over it, just like wielding a beer bottle or fish. It sucks, it’s arbitrary, it’s confusing as all getout, but at least it wouldn’t be a surprise.

I think it’s a surprise to a lot of people, sadly.


This is going to confuse a lot of players, especially those who pick up some of the 60 PvP gear as they level an alt and then wonder why they can’t use that great outfit later on for transmogrification.

I think it’s a nice gesture to say, hey, as a tip of the hat to our long-time PvP players who did the grind way back when, let’s let them be the only ones who can wear the old armor. It returns some uniqueness to the old PvP grind, and instills a sense of wonder around these outfits.

I’d love it if Blizzard presented it as such, not slip it in unnoticed. Someone at Blizzard made this decision and got it implemented. Someone approved getting the new sets in to Area 52. Folks at Blizzard knew this was coming, and it has the potential to be cast in a really good light.

But it wasn’t. It was dropped in unnoticed. And when gear changes get dropped in unannounced during a season transition, I start getting really nervous. Bad things happen when Blizzard doesn’t talk to their PvP playerbase. I’m really trying hard to forget the last time they forgot to tell us things about how the PvP gear system was going to change.

Sure, I’d selfishly like this change reversed, because then I can have the great old Vanilla PvP fashions for my Wrath and Cata and Mists toons. But if this is a way to honor Vanilla PvPers, I’m actually really okay with that. What they did was special! Preserving uniqueness is a great thing! I can go wear the Burning Crusade PvP gear!

It just would have been nice to not get my hopes up.




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18 responses to “Level 60 PvP Gear Not Available for Transmogging

  1. Kierbuu

    Kind of a shame. Only ‘toon I have with a high enough rank to wear the gear is my tauren druid, but I hate the look of the old PvP gear on him. Changed out of it as soon as could back in BC. On the other hand I was really looking forward to getting my new rogue the look of the old Grand Marshall’s Dirk. Love the simplicity of the design.

    • I don’t really like the look of the leather sets either, to be honest. Cloth sets are awesome. Weapons are awesome across the board. Plate is mostly awesome (if somewhat yellow.)

      It’s okay, I suppose. I’ll see how I like the Brutal set, and maybe I’ll try out some of the other sets (S1/S2/S3).

  2. This is why I wish they would bring in account wide achievements already. Wanted the helm on my gnome who is of course a brand new character, but “I” reached rank 12 back in vanilla on the same class. It seems a bit artificial when you have two Priests who meet the criteria but are currently only playing the one who doesn’t 😦

    • I wonder how they’re going to implement things like FoS if/when they get around to them. These kinds of quirky exceptions just make account-wide achievements harder to put in place. 😦

  3. Syl

    LOL…I do not cease to get baffled at overly complicated, non-sensical mogging-rules such as these. If I was still playing WoW, I’d be rather annoyed – I used to love the priest PvP sets and acquired mine in vanilla. that would mean I couldn’t wear my own though, but would be eligible to buy ‘new old ones’ and then mog them? way to go! 😀
    I wonder if anyone else has every managed to make cosmetic armor features such a rocket science in an MMO..

    • About half the gear I wanted to mog I ended up being unable to use. It was, frankly, pretty disappointing.

      I’m starting to wonder if they do these things just so I have something to write about on patch days. 🙂

  4. At first, with your post, I was like WTF?! Seeing as I acquired the whole Warrior Yellow Power Ranger set in early TBC (which took months).

    But now, reading on I agree with your point. Those true old schoolers’ deserve some recognition and if this is the way, then so be it. *Tips imaginary hat*

    Though I don’t see why they must re-purchase the look-alike armour. Though my theory is that some who achieved the particular ranks, may have disposed of their dusty gear. So a way to get it back if you indeed deserve it 🙂

    – Jamin

    • My guess is that the coding limitations on mogging are such that an item is either eligible or not – the system can’t perform sophisticated character-based checks. So they need to limit it at the point of purchase, which has that kind of logic checks already in place.

      I slept on this and I’m actually a little bit grumpier this morning – not because of the mogging, but because those PvP titles were taken away and repurposed for Rated Battlegrounds. New titles should have been implemented instead of the old ones. The titles were what folks cared about. If the titles were intact, giving the gear to those with the FoS would actually feel less like a bandaid.

      Mostly, I’m just grumpy that no one said anything. 😦

  5. I agree that I’m mostly grumpy that they didn’t mention this. I’ve come to terms with the fish and the frying pans, but I’d planned for this. It was clearly not very well understood even amongst the team since Bashiok (just the messenger) had to check back to know what to tell us.

    But the problem is that gear has ALREADY become statuswise “worthless”. It’s very attractive and very useful at level, but it’s not rare or elite. Anyone who’s done a BG at 60-70 knows that, half the players have that gear. I have probably 6 or 7 sets of that gear across my characters because it’s useful and pretty for leveling toons through outlands. Getting to wear the same gear, at 85, that anyone’s scrub level 62 alt is wearing is not particularly rewarding. Freezy is just keeping her intended Marshall’s gear and wearing it around town anyway.

    I’d also venture the *majority* of die hard pvpers aren’t collecting/appearance focused kind of people. (Huge generalization, I know.) I’d think losing their titles, for the minuscule number of people who are still playing from that vanilla grind, on those vanilla toons, would be much worse than having to share old gear with fellow 85s as well as scrubby alts. I’d much rather have seen them keep the already very rare S1-S3 sets for some kind of retro reward if they really wanted to do that. You also might have a larger number of people who could use them, since BC wasn’t as long ago.

    It seems like a very strange use of resources putting this block in place and then instituting FoS checking vendors for the VERY TINY number of people who are qualified and interested in using this service. It’s an odd business decision in a game that has constantly been trying to spend its resources where the majority of people will get to use them. I’m not hugely peeved, just kind of grumpy and confused.

    • Fairly diehard PvPer here and I care what I look like whilst I’m mindspiking people in the face tyvm 😀

      However I’m also a bit of an altaholic with a Priest obsession and I’m exceedingly snarky that the Priest I want the lv 60 PvP hat on, is my only high level Priest who doesn’t meet their stupid qualifying rules. The other 2 are currently Horde and don’t have access to awesome spiky hat :(. Guess that General Dornröschen is going to have to become Marshal Marshmallow after all.

      Yes, it’s great that some people manage to keep one main throughout seven years but it sucks for the rest of us. It seems like they all play rogues, paladins and warriors too, weird that.

      I have to agree about raid gear too. If they are going to a draw a line in the sand over PvP gear, why are people able to go and solo/small group raid content for gear. Surely if you didn’t get your tier 1 during Molten Core’s glory days, you shouldn’t be able to run about it now. It’s the same thing surely.

      In fact having visited MC every week for a year (give or take a few holidays but some weeks I did 2 runs on different characters) in vanilla (and still never saw tier 2 legs drop), I’d say that farming rank 12 was actually less painful, less frustrating and a lot more fun.

      I feel it should be all or nothing and since neither is particularly relevant now, people should be able to transmog whatever they feel like as long as they get the item from somewhere.

      • Brutality

        Wow that is bs, it took months to get titles back in vanilla depending on ur server

        Ps I got lieutenant commander after 3 months of beating down field Marshall’s on my server for the top honor for the server spot

        Still wear the gear proudly and the title till the title meant nothing anymore gf blizzard

  6. It’s also a little weird that there’s no equivalent in PVE content/gear. It’s not like you have to have the Hand of Adal title in order to transmog T5. People who got legendaries are not ALLOWED to transmog their weapons. Or no heroic T10 unless you had a pre 30% drake! Why the strange visual “elite” rewards for a tiny subsection of ways to be “elite” and not for anyone else? (Note that I don’t think they SHOULD make more gear “transmog elite”, just that it’s odd they only picked one.)

  7. I’d just have preferred that they keep the old PvP titles and allowed the transmog. The vast majority of people who play BGs are merely “Scouts” anyway, so there was no reason to bring back the PvP titles for Rateds.

  8. I agree completely Cyn, I had already purchased a set for my newly minted level 60 rogue, Iandawen. So I’m a tad bit bummed that I won’t be able to use it other than for the BG’s in that bracket.

    But I also remember guys and gals who had this insane amount of dedication to get those titles as well. It would be really nice as Redbeard suggested, for them to be able to show those titles as they are a badge of distinction that few have nowadays. I remember one rogue when I was on Kirin Tor who was possibly on of the best PvP’ers I’ve ever had the pleasure of watching, he’s one of the only Field Marshall’s that I ever saw. .Can’t remember his name to save my life though.

  9. I was very disappointed when I found out that the Grand Marshal’s Aegis was not eligible for Transmogrification. It is seriously the *only* thing that I wanted to transmog on my Paladin. I’ve been looking forward to it ever since they announced the feature.

    I understand why they Blizzard are doing this, and I think it’s nice to throw a bone to those who accomplished something extremely difficult. But how many of those players are still active and playing that same character? One per server, maybe?

    I think this is a nice nod to the Old Skool players, but one that ultimately will cause more frustration on the part of the rest of the playerbase. More so because these items are not labelled as Non-Transmoggable, so people will end up wasting Honor buying them before finding out they can’t use them. Hell, I almost did that on my Shaman last night.

  10. I wish they would just keep the truly visually distinct stuff– the shoulders, helm and weapons — as un-moggable unless you did the whole grind in Classic.

    I’m a Sgt Major, and I wanted to get the Marshal’s Chest and Marshal’s Gloves to match my Giantstalker helm and shoulders (and some various pretty greens) for a lovely silver and gold “un set”.

    But I can’t. Because they want to make perhaps the most trivialized set, somehow untrivial again. (I mean, all you have to do is level one toon through Outland and you see this stuff on every other alt out there). I can appreciate them wanting to keep it distinct, but it’s sort of like trying to lock the barn door after the cows already left.

    If anything, the shoulders, helm and weapons should be kept distinct. That I can get behind. But who is going to look at you and go “Wow, you’re wearing the HWL boots!” No one. But if they match an “un set” you’re trying to make, I think they should be available to you.

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  12. I was really bummed as well. I’m not a PvPer, so I had no clue that there would be any reason that the items would not be moggable. I bought the shoulders for my paladin (you can even see them in my avatar) because they were a very good fit to go with the lawbringer set (which my *other* paladin deserves, having had the complete set in vanilla), of which I despise the shoulders. I don’t show my helm, so that’s not a particular issue to me.

    I agree with Cynwise, though. It’s the communication that’s the problem for me. Wasted a lot of my time *and a GMs time, because I opened a ticket about it because it still wasn’t common knowledge the day the patch dropped.